Kwa m16

zSNIP3DOWNz · #1 02-04-2010, 08:49 PM

i was thinking about getting a KWA M16 in the summer, but was wondering a few things about it. could i put a Madbull Omega 12" rail on it without buying anything but the rail?
can i put a KA MOD stock (with all the buffer tube and stuff)?

but i was also wondering if i should get a KWA KP8 before. i currently have a cybergun M4/M16 (m4 with full stock) and it's been holding up quite nicely, but i didn't want to get the pistol and then have the gun break and be stuck with a pistol as a primary (pistol kills ftw). so should i get the M16 or the KP8 first?

sonjamichelle · #2 02-04-2010, 09:19 PM

First of all, don't forget to follow Rule #18. And go easy on the emoticons/smileys.

If the KWA is like my CA then the full stock is held on by a long screw. Looks like you could put on a collapsible stock providing the stock you choose comes with all the hardware. Doing a google search turned up this stock. If that is the one you're talking about, it has the screw and retaining plate that should screw into your receiver. The KWA should more than likely already be wired to the back for the battery in the stock. Though keep in mind fitting the fuse block and wiring in the buffer tube.

Looking at the Madbull Daniel Defense Omega Rail, it appears to be held on by the delta ring. I would call whoever you're buying the rail and KWA from to check compatibility to be certain.

As for the pistol, depending on where you skirmish and how often you intend to engage at close range would really determine if you need to buy a pistol. I've owned mine for almost two years and I've only pulled it a few times. If you like to get up close and personal having a pistol helps. If you tend to hang back and engage from a distance, your pistol will usually stay in your holster. Your mileage will vary.

Having a secondary AEG is always a good thing. Gives you a backup should you have a mechanical issue.

dman3lax4 · #3 02-04-2010, 10:22 PM

I have a recently purchased kwa m16 br, and I'm planning on putting the Omega rail on mine. Yes it does fit on according to ASGI, and shouldn't require any mods to it. Yes the KWA m16 is rear wired, so theoretically the mod stock should work fine. My KWA is awesome, and I would definitely recommend one, but good luck with whatever you end up doing.

zSNIP3DOWNz · #4 02-05-2010, 04:12 PM

Darn!!! I keep forgetting rule #18!!! Anyway, I play at Tactical Paintball in Harwood Texas, their field limit is 400 fps and MOST of their fields are CQB-ish (i.e. they have rifle ranges at times, but CQB others; it's super fun). So yes, i do plan on using a pistol.

just took a look at the VFC M16A3 and i was wondering if i should just buy that instead of KWA? or is the KWA the better buy?

sonjamichelle · #5 02-05-2010, 04:45 PM

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I play at Tactical Paintball in Harwood Texas, their field limit is 400 fps and MOST of their fields are CQB-ish (i.e. they have rifle ranges at times, but CQB others; it's super fun). So yes, i do plan on using a pistol.

Like I said Your Mileage Will Vary. Keep in mind there are a couple different models of the KP8. KWA switched to their new NS2 system so be aware of what version your getting especially when it comes to extra mags. From what I read KWA makes some solid pistols and have received good reviews. WhiteRabbit has a KWA KP8.

I was looking at a KP8 myself, but chose to go with the HFC M166. Factors were cost at the time, rumours that KWA was coming out with something new soon and the HFC had a reputation for good performance in the cold. Was moving to CT at the time so cold weather performance was the selling point. For a GBB it did quite well in 19 degree weather with active snowfall.

If you see yourself getting into CQB a lot then go for the pistol. But as mentioned before, having a backup AEG is great for the time you have mechanical failures. That's what led my decision to purchase an M4.

I bought my MP5 (Thanks Cali) then my vest and gear then my pistol then my M4. Somewhere in the middle I picked up a shotgun at the urging of my son.

Get a bunch of games in, maybe an OP or two and you'll find yourself in a better position to pick and choose gear and weapons. When I first started I had a shopping list a mile long with all kinds of things from pistols, vests to snipers and grenades. As I got more involved, attended more games and a couple of OPs I found my style of engagement and really chose my gear and weapons around that style. I've seen a lot of guys, kids really (especially in CT), buy a weapon just to sell it the next day after a skirmish because it didn't "fit them and the way they played"

zSNIP3DOWNz · #6 02-05-2010, 09:40 PM

Ok, so should I go M4 then, just for compatability for DMR or CQB? Or stick to the m16?

sonjamichelle · #7 02-05-2010, 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by zSNIP3DOWNz

Ok, so should I go M4 then, just for compatibility for DMR or CQB? Or stick to the m16?

An M16A1 to M16A3 is traditionally longer and does not have a flat RIS rail with a removable carry handle. The M16A4 has the length but adds the RIS rail and removable handle. ex: KWA M16 Battle Rifle This should give you good field performance and yield decent range and accuracy due to the longer barrel. However it's length could make it cumbersome in CQB.

The M4 is designed to be less cumbersome and better performing in closer engagements. ex: KWA M4A1
The shorter length in both the barrel and stock will make it easier in CQB environments and be less cumbersome. You may see some performance and/or accuracy loss due to the shorter barrel. Though keep in mind that in airsoft, many factors go into actual performance; ex: barrel length, barrel diameter, hop up quality, spring strength, gearbox quality, bb quality and weight, etc. It's not as clear cut as a real steel would be.

I personally like the M4 (aka M15A4 RIS) over the M16 with the shorter barrel and collapsible stock. Still has a decent barrel length for my preferred engagement distances yet its more compact size doesn't make it a bear to move around with.

It really comes down to personal preference and how you like to play.

You mention DMR which opens a whole 'nother can of worms. I'd search the forums and the net for all the issues, restrictions, cost and style of engagement for such a weapon. I've only seen about 3 really effective sniper players in the past 2 years. Of course I've seen NUMEROUS players with "sniper" rifles. There are lots of threads on this issue, search the forum.

Cannon Fodder · #8 02-06-2010, 02:25 AM

When you do end up getting GBB pistol I would recommend TM. I got my brother and it has superior range and accuracy than most others I've seen. Though they have plastic slides the plastic is very high quality to the point that is doesn't really even feel like plastic.

zSNIP3DOWNz · #9 02-06-2010, 08:33 AM

should i put in the extra money for a KWA SR10? i believe it's the same length as the G4-18.

jeremywills · #10 02-06-2010, 02:54 PM

Madbull's DD Omega rail fit flawlessly on a recent CA M16 I helped a guy install it on. Unless the KWA delta ring is some grossly large diameter it should in theory drop right on or require minor fitting. You may just have to kick a field goal and hope for the best. I wish these companies would standardize this stuff.

I had an opportunity to purchase a PTS CTR stock for a good secondhand price and not one of my AEG buffer tubes fit it, they were all too large in diameter. I didn't feel like swapping a buffer tube or shaving the inside of the PTS CTR so I passed. I was just glad I had a chance to test fit first before ordering something and then being stuck with it.

Just keep asking around, try Arnies or places like ASR etc.... eventually someone on a forum will have already been a guniea pig and confirmed its going to fit or not.

On the GBB thing I've had excellent luck with my Glock TM G17. I finally got around to rebuilding it after it was left on the field for a few months lost to the elements and its good to go again. I look forward to fielding it finally. I've tried some WE's and a KWA and I've come back to that good ol TM for a reason. I know KWA has since come out with newer versions so I can't comment but they have garnered favorable comments from most folks I've asked that I know now have em. I think you would probably be ok going either route. As with anything, how you maintain it or more appropiately how you abuse it will be a huge part of the deciding factor for longevity. A pistol is a must for any close engagements you may encounter. Especially when going into the unknown like entering a building.

Good luck.