View Full Version : M60E4 vs M249
07-02-2004, 11:50 PM
I'm in the market for buying a support weapon. I'm debating between the new M60E4 Mk43 or the M249 Paratrooper Version. Thanks to you guys, there's at least an upgrading guide for the M249, but does anyone know if the rumor is true that PGC plans to make a mechbox for the M60 series. If anyone knows of any good sites for reviews or upgrading the M60, please post them on this thread. Thank you!
07-02-2004, 11:56 PM
PGC was going to make a mechbox for the M60, but have apparently cancelled their efforts.
07-03-2004, 11:10 AM
I thought all the E4's long sold out.
07-03-2004, 02:09 PM
PGC is not making a M60 conversion mechbox, as they cancelled that project a long time ago.
They have stated they plan on making their own E4 complete gun however, but no word on when and if that will really happen.
Obsidian of this site has owned a M60 and could give you the lowdown.
Review, easily found on various sites through the power of Google: http://www.airsoftplayers.com/m60/m601.asp
You'll find that the TOP M60's all are basically the same performance-wise. Just remember, the upgrade capability for these guns isn't that great, unless you like to spend a lot of time tinkering and buying pistons.
07-04-2004, 10:35 AM
Thanks for all the intel AustinWolv. How is the maintenance for the M249 with the PGC Ver. 2 mechbox. Is this upgrade easy to maintain, or are you continually tinkering with the internals to make it consistent? I also hear that the loading mechanism for the Top box magazine breaks down all the time. What's your opinion on this?
07-04-2004, 11:17 AM
The TOP box mag has worked great for me. Every so often it would jam because I overwound it usually, but I'd just bang on the side of it, and it would unjam. I have two of them and both have worked great.
As for the PGC upgrade, it is the best route to go if you want to upgrade to 400fps or higher. It is far from foolproof however, as I have had a lot of trouble with mine lately. So much that I got sick of working on them, and put them aside for a couple months now, as I'm running a different weapon for the time being. The mechbox itself is stout and won't break on you. The weak link is the nozzle/hopup chamber interaction. It is too dependent on the barrel assembly positioning, so you don't always get a good seal. Thus, you get inadequate muzzle velocity or jams, which can eat pistons and/or gears.
When I've had the thing running, it is a thing of beauty however. I'm waiting to see what PGC's next version of the mechbox looks like before tinkering with mine some more, but it is running a month late for release already. I'm hoping they address the weak link, and I've sent them emails with such design suggestions.
When all was running well, the part life was pretty decent. I went through 37,000 rounds before it broke down on me. It was shooting great, about 430-440fps, and I was often putting continuous bursts of 500+ rounds down easily. I should have left well enough alone and just replaced the piston that broke, but I replaced other parts that were worn as well.
If you go the PGC route, be prepared to tinker with the gun often. However, once you get it dialed in, it is a beast.
My advice for now? Wait to see what PGC's next version M249 mechbox looks like before buying. Then, evaluate from there. For me personally, if they didn't address the weak link, I'll be waiting to see if CA ever releases the M249 they prototyped, and how they went about doing the mechbox. You can find some of my comments about that in the Site News section of the forums.
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